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okay i'm going to do quick introductions and then i'll ask some questions and i will try to save some time at the end so that we can take some questions from you all also so on the piano we have mark levin as am i pronouncing that right okay and one
of the co-authors of lightweight jingo and the technical director of cactus group and andrew pinkham freelance software consultant and author of Jengo unleashed scheduled for publication in 2015 by pearson andrew specializes in web and mobile products and
is also passionate about security and distributed systems like i'm doing a game show and Buddy Lindsey creates screencasts on go jenga calm helping those who have the basics of jingo and want to take it to the next level Peter Bumgardner by peter is the
founder of Lincoln loop one of the first agencies to provide professional Django support back in 20 or 2007 peter is author of high-performance Django and a frequent speaker at jinguk on and has given talks at PyCon and salt conf as well Tracy Osborne the
author of hella web app i got my autographed copy last night and which walks yes you can too and which walks beginners through creating their first web app with django as well as that and she's also the founder of wedding lovely okay so in this first part
i'm going to talk about what you all do is writing so I'd like all of you to answer this question at this first one and then some others and you can decide which ones you would like to answer so tell us about how and when you got involved with Django
and want me to start down here by you and oh I thought you all had already I'm sorry tried out can you hear me I guess so yes uh so i started in doing Django actually don't remember the year I think four years ago doing helping with Mozilla developer
network that was my first introduction into it and I really liked it i started in asp.net did some rails and then saw this Jango thing and it was kind of a hybrid between the two in a few areas and I really liked it and so I just kind of stuck with it and
then from there on the goat Django side like a couple months after I started I was like you know I really wish somebody was doing screencasts for these so why don't I do them because no one else is and so I started doing those and that really took my learning
up to the next level and that's kind of its kind of the dirty secret of go jenga was I didn't know what I was doing but I was teaching everyone else how to do it too so so everyone was learning with me and there still are so yeah that's my dirty
secret as well yeah I feel like I'm an expert in something write a book on it or do screencaps I I was a friend developer and designer I started learning Gingka four years ago four or five years ago because I wanted to launch my startup and everyone said
you had to go find a co-founder I tried that and it was horrible so I decided just to learn how to program and do it myself so I've been working about startup ever since then but as I was growing my startup and becoming a better developer I kept thinking
back to those original tutorials I used and be like oh there could be such a better way to teach this especially as someone who was like me with a frontin and design background so that's I decided to as a feeling like a beginner I decided to jump full
into writing my own book and how I wish that Django was taught my path was I was a ski bum and I wanted to make more money so became a computer technician and then started hosting email for people because nobody had good email servers and then they started
asking me to build websites for him so i started doing PHP and wordpress and then I people asked for more complex web sites and I tried to build that stuff in PHP in WordPress and it was painful so i moved to django and yeah i've been working with django
since i think the point nine six version and it's been good yeah I started learning python on my own I wanted to use it for work I was working in finance at the time and never really called on at work but I really enjoyed was doing and then I wanted to
build a little website for myself so I started to learn Django I I watched some show me do screencasts back in the day and they were all on 96 but 10 is out a bunch of weird errors trying to watch the screen cast and yeah eventually I decided to move out of
finance and I thought man i really like building things with django or what i've been learning maybe someone will pay me to do this and turns out like by a stroke of complete luck i ended up at cactus group and just as snowballed from there yeah i started
working on in the startup scene in 2011 and after a couple jobs where I was working in PHP or rails or JavaScript i discovered that i really really didn't like any of those tools and ended up on a project with python and django and said this is it I don't
want to deal with those those other tools for any of the other websites and just kind of stuck with it all right thank you good answers and okay so one thing that we have to be mindful and one all the publications I've worked on actually have all been
for international audiences and so an open source com for example we have we have a huge editorial well lack of focus i guess if anything under open source will fit in our and in our site so when you're thinking about your audience and he wrote for i'm
curious and you know what are you picturing is your audience is it primarily at north american are you i'm concerned about having your works translated as are you picturing this being used at a university level or in a professional setting or is this something
for somebody who's self-taught and doing this at home for fun so tell us a little bit about the audience you have in mind for how you're creating content um yeah i'll let you all pick who decides since okay um as a self-publisher because i still
publish I don't have a publisher I have to think about all those things myself a lot of it has to be like I kind of like I trying to I tried to make it as accessible as possible I'm selling on three different platforms which is kind of weird for a
lot of people who do self-publishing because most people choose either a pride thing like gum road where you're owning the sales and payment yourself versus amazon which is kind of universal but kind of did amazon because it is it does sell internationally
really well i'm running into a problem I kind of tried it maximizes it as much as possible but I'm working a second book in the second book i'm using stripe and stripe doesn't exist internationally which has been an issue because i talked to
some people and budapest and they're like well we can't use stripe so that's my useless so the long answer is that personally I tried to like make it so anyone for me cuz I'm a work in a beginner audience anyone who's totally new can use
my book and beginners you will use multiple tutorials and I understand that but I have been running into some internationalisation problems don't have an answer for it just yet though my audience would be probably professionals or people who want to be
professionals using it and are kind of in the trenches I would love to have it internationalized but I have an had any requests for it yet and it seems like a monumental task as a self-publisher so you know I'm in the same boat that we saw on you know
gum road and Amazon and a couple other platforms so we do get some international sales I unfortunately I think English right now is sort of the de facto technical language which I yeah i'm sure it isolates some people but right now i think it would just
be too big of an undertaking to try to translate i think there was some effort to translate our book that i wasn't really a concern we had when we were writing it our audience julie and i we wanted to address questions that we felt were coming from the
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